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An
interview with Isabel Zuber
By
Gary Carden
I
first met Isabel Zuber some 15 years ago when she gave a reading at
City Lights Bookstore. At the time, she was known primarily as a poet.
At present, she has completed two collections titled Oriflamb
and Winters Exile. Now living in Winston-Salem, Isabel
works at the Wake Forest University.
GC: Isabel, tell me about the title. Why Salt?
IZ: Originally, the working title was Anna and John, convenient
— but uninspired. I went through a long list of titles before
I read Kay Byers poem sequence, Salt Woman. In
talking to Kay, I was particularly taken by what she said about
its mythical symbolism for wisdom. As luck would have it, there
is another book out at the present (non-fiction) with the same title.
Bad timing!
GC: For me, Salt contains themes that also occur in two
of my favorite books: Cold Mountain and Lamb in His Bosom.
Im referring to the contrast between abiding or eternal aspect
of Nature in contrast to the briefness of human existence.
IZ: Im not familiar with Lamb in His Bosom, but Cold
Mountain is one of my favorite books. I wish I thought the mountains
would abide, but I see them being destroyed before my eyes —
and I am increasingly uneasy about what human beings are doing even
to the seasons themselves. Perhaps that is why I set my own book
over one hundred years ago. Even then the changes had already begun.
Wolves and bears hunted down, fish depleted, land cleared. We have
a lot to answer for, brief though our destructive little lives may
be.
GC: If I had to pick a dominant theme in Salt, I would
pick the theme of sexual imperatives. You treat sexuality with a
kind of straightforward exuberance, but there is also the suggestion
that we are at the mercy of sex.
IZ: I think you hit the nail on the head. Irresistible carnal desire
does drive many of the twists and turns of the plot, and causes
John and Annas marriage, of course.
GC: Would you comment on Johns character? I found him willful,
ambitious and controlling. Im not sure I liked him.
IZ: For John, the determining event that he is reminded of over
and over is the early death of his father and his own failure to
carry out his fathers last charge. If we add hardship
and the loss of two wives, you have a man with underlying insecurities
that can lead to a desperate need to dominate and control. He is
far from a complete villain. He would not have attracted Anna without
some redeeming qualities, and in some ways she succeeds in bringing
out the best in him.
GC: Well, I certainly recognized the geographical locations in
Salt. Boone, Globe, Valle Crucis, Bristol, Mountain City.
Is it possible that some of the characters are based on real
people?
IZ: The framework, the time line of the story is based
on my fathers family, but that provided only the pegs upon
which the story is hung. The characters are either created
from research, assembled as composites or totally imaginary.
GC: Salt has a kind of mystical theme running throughout
it that takes the form of premonitions, a kind of foreshadowing.
IZ: While the reality of this novel has been commented
on, the supernatural is very present. Most prevalent is the fact
that a number of characters sense a presence — the Native
Americans who once lived here, or guardian spirits. There are obvious
agents like the Tarot cards that Anna encounters in Boone and the
gypsy that she meets near the end of the book. I love the idea of
supernatural visitations.
GC: How do you account for the remarkable reality of your descriptions
of nature?
IZ: I found myself at the Hambridge Center in north Georgia for
a month at a time of year when no one else was there. I was all
alone in 600 acres of wilderness with the bears and the catamounts
and not another light to be seen anywhere. Sitting in the yard in
the middle of the night and seeing the Milky Way for the first time
in years was inspirational. The stars were so bright their light
actually woke me up one morning when I had not closed the blinds.
This was my most productive writing time ever.
GC: Salt seems poised between two worlds, and Annas
life moves between them: kerosene lamps vs. electric lights, fireplaces
vs. cook stoves, mules vs. automobiles. Do you feel that we have
lost something vital in progressing from one to the other?
IZ: As a child, I romanticized the past and begged my father to
tell me something old-timey, but I would not want to
go back to that time — to poverty, prejudice, inferior medical
care. Even so, I know full well that much has been lost in terms
of invaluable connections with the land and the community. There
is a quote from my introduction to the poems about my father (Winter
Exile) that sums this up: I hope (these poems) will also honor
a lost way of life that, while it was rock hard and often painful,
was also beautiful, moving and satisfying in a way that we may not
be able to recover.
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